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Unmarried Foreign Partner Pregnant

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asked on Jun 26, 2013 at 22:37
by   Sung Tee
edited on Jan 5, 2018 at 04:30
 
I'm new to this forum so I apologize if such topic has been discussed before.

Here is my story and would appreciate all the help I could get. I'm a Chinese Malaysian and married. Recently my Thailand girlfriend is pregnant and she agreed to be my second wife. Since I'm married to another women I doubt I can give her any official martial status, but in the same time I want her to be able to stay in Malaysia in the future and have my kid born as Malaysian citizen. So my questions are:

1) She would like to stay in Thailand because she got her parents to take care of her during the entire pregnancy;

a) Can the child registered as Malaysian citizen if he is born in Thailand? Even if the mother and I are NOT married?

b) How can the mother legally stay in Malaysia in the future together with my kid?

2) We came across this idea where she apply for 6 months visa to Malaysia, give birth over here so the child can be a Malaysia citizen;

a) What happen to the mother, how can she stay back to take care of the kid?

b) Can she travel back to Thailand to visit her parents and stay in Malaysia when shes back?

Please don't judge me, I'm not proud of what happen. But what's done is done, I just want both the mother and my child to be well taken care off by me.
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answered on Nov 9, 2014 at 18:26
by   anonymous
edited Jan 5, 2018 at 04:39
 
You can forget about this idea... just let your girlfriend be taken care by her mom in her country...
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answered on Nov 9, 2014 at 22:36
by   Justice4child
edited Mar 12, 2018 at 04:34
 
When you post in a public forum for discussion, be prepared for negative remarks.

FOR THE CHILD.. BE A RESPONSIBLE FATHER

1.  The mother is Thai. The child will be a Thai National whether born in Malaysia or Thailand, since the biological father is married to another woman. And the father's name cannot be recorded in Malaysian or Thai Birth Certificate. Be prepared to be fined and other penalties.

2. What happen to the mother, how can she stay back to take care of the kid.?
What is going to happen to your WIFE and children, if any, can you afford 2 families?

3. She would like to stay in Thailand because she got her parents to take care of her during the entire pregnancy;
Normal request. How sure are you that she may want the child and not you in the future and not come back to your side?

4. How can the mother legally stay in Malaysia in the future together with my kid?
On what legal grounds.? She is just an illegal immigrant.

Do think wisely and act wisely.
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answered on Dec 29, 2017 at 23:22
by   Curious V
For God's sake...you don't answer questions by asking questions. Certainly that person is in need of help and nobody wants to be judged, otherwise he wouldn't even come here to ask questions in the first place. First of all, who are we to judge another person unless it's a legal trial be it trial by law or religion? You can advise, but do not discriminate nor judge others if you don't understand his actual situation. Everyone makes mistake, we can only advise, let the judge be the judge, not us.

In my case, I'm still unmarried and my foreign gf is not pregnant, yet I'm here to study further so I can understand more of what the law can serve its purpose should anything happen beyond my control.

Be neutral to answer one's question and help unconditionally if you wish to help. Otherwise just keep your bias opinions to yourself.
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answered on Dec 30, 2017 at 11:08
by   Justice4child
edited Jan 15, 2018 at 22:43
 
you don't answer questions by asking questions.
Is that a criteria in this forum? You are teaching me writing ethics?

First of all, who are we to judge another person unless it's a legal trial be it trial by law or religion?
You will be judged by Social Laws. Leave religion out, you know very little of it. The above have broken not only religious, cultural, Laws of Malaysia, Matrimonial Laws and violations of the rights of all of the children of this father.

You can advise, but do not discriminate nor judge others 
Be neutral to answer one's question and help unconditionally 
The pot calling kettle black? Are you imposing your beliefs on me? Think twice before you reply or write further replies.

The above @Sung Tee has been answer with all the obstacles highlighted and potential impeding lawsuits by his legally married wife.
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answered on Dec 30, 2017 at 14:26
by   jeff005
edited Jan 5, 2018 at 04:59
 
Wow, a long forgotten thread, you guys can really google..!

@ Sung Tee

Perhaps your issues were resolved with during this passage of time or has manifested tremendously after 5 years. Since this very old thread is being reactivated, for the benefit of those new comers and potential defaulters of married life for new companions, below are my personal opinions (non legal, non intrusive).

a) Can the child registered as Malaysian citizen if he is born in Thailand? Even if the mother and I are NOT married? 
The fact that you are still legally married to another woman, this child cannot be registered as your child in Malaysia or Thailand. The citizenship of this child will follow the mother whether born in Malaysia or Thailand.

b) How can the mother legally stay in Malaysia in the future together with my kid? 
She can come to visit the child periodically in Malaysia using Social Visit Pass  of 30 days. Too many trips may result on a  NTL  stamp on her passport.
Note that this child is an illegal immigrant  even if born in Malaysia.

2) We came across this idea where she apply for 6 months visa to Malaysia, give birth over here so the child can be a Malaysia citizen; 
Who told you? NO SUCH VISA.. the child is not Malaysian.

a) What happen to the mother, how can she stay back to take care of the kid? 
No legal way, can come visit periodically.

b) Can she travel back to Thailand to visit her parents and stay in Malaysia when shes back? 
She is supposed to stay in Thailand, not here.

b) How can the mother legally stay in Malaysia in the future together with my kid? 
They are both Thai Nationals. Do not bring them here to become illegals.
Find a employer who is willing to get her a Legal Foreign Work Permit. After 5 years living/working here, then apply for  PR  then the child can come in on  "Dependent Pass" under her.

I just want both the mother and my child to be well taken care off by me.
Just send moneys monthly and visit them discreetly.
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answered on Jan 5, 2018 at 18:37
by   jeff005
edited Jan 15, 2018 at 22:41
 
you don't answer questions by asking questions.
One have to acknowledge that different readers interpret issues or understand those issues at a different perspective, hence, questions are asked to clarify further.

Sometimes when by asking questions on what the poster have asked, the poster will/may/can realize it was a futile question with no appropriate answers. It can be a polite way of answering questions instead of the reply is "this is a silly or stupid question!"
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answered on Jan 5, 2018 at 22:57
by   jeff005
edited Jan 15, 2018 at 22:41
 
@ Curious V

let the judge be the judge, 
Court Judges do make mistakes too. That is why there are 5 Levels in our Judiciary System for legal recourse.

what the law can serve its purpose should anything happen 
The correct course of action is to be a law abiding citizen. Not reading laws to try to circumvent around it when illegal activities has been done or be a spiteful vigilante.
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answered on Feb 27, 2018 at 20:49
by   Curious V
Jeff005,

I couldn't thank you enough for your kind effort and generosity in providing much needed information regarding such issue. To say the least, it's very informative and comfortable to gain knowledge.

On a side note, this is what I meant by being neutral in a discussion without prejudicial statement made earlier by another individual. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a lawyer, but I do have skillsets in the law enforcement and security and I'm trained whereby there is no room for mistakes in my line of duty.

I've got what I came here for and thank you once again, Jeff005!! Salute!
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answered on Feb 28, 2018 at 01:18
by   Curious V
Justice4child,

Justice4child? Are you kidding me? You know about "justice 4 infants" but you don't know justice for humanity? Maybe "Judgement2Everyone suits you better. Seems to me that you would only have limited neurons in order to comprehend my statements. Well, alright...you've asked for it and I shall use another method to communicate with the likes of you. Indeed my statements are directed to your discriminative replies made towards the enquirer and interesting enough, not the criteria of the forum. I wonder...how did you even go there? Your advises are...how do I put this... induced with prejudice and hatred. Seems like you're behaving more like a woman than a man, full of emotions and what not. Well, since I have all the time I've got, I would be so pleased to do the honor in answering your questions for whatever that may excite you...as well as looking forward to the demise of your negative attitude and behaviour which you brought about yourself. Bet you wouldn't like to be lambasted too, huh? Well, seems to me now that you don't. Anyway, I'd be so interested in studying such a primitive creature like you.  Let's start, shall we?

you don't answer questions by asking questions.
Is that a criteria in this forum? You are teaching me writing ethics?

No.....it's not a criteria in this forum, certainly I'm not teaching you Ethics in Writing. Maybe I'm advising you on the Etiquette in Communications..... oh sorry, I'll make it simple for you to understand. I meant "BE NICE...NEUTRAL...UNBIAS and UNDISCRIMINATING. Are you clear on that? Perfect! Since we're on a communication platform discussing about something where we could all gain knowledge anyway. I'm...so...curious..... as to how on Mother Earth would you be able to insult the intelligence of a man in his troubled times, as well as to discriminate him as he seeks help regardless of his sins even so that your current position is not directly involved in his case but only to provide simple yet understandable answers for his problem? (Hmm...sins. Did he mention...religion...oh yea... what do I know about religion?) Well, to me, you're just like the many scumbags around and about who shoo away beggars thinking that he/she might be a drug addict instead of studying the case if he/she is a lost destitude requesting alms just to feed his excessive hunger. (Hmmm...what did religion really taught me?) I for one do not judge too hastily but as for your goodself, well...I know the likes of you even with the words you use could generate the tone of excitement...I mean...aggression. Anyway let's get to it.

First of all, who are we to judge another person unless it's a legal trial be it trial by law or religion?
You will be judged by Social Laws. Leave religion out, you know very little of it. The above have broken not only religious, cultural, Laws of Malaysia, Matrimonial Laws and violations of the rights of all of the children of this father.

1. "First of all, who are we to judge another person....." Oh I'm sorry, do you understand English?
2. Dude, learn this phrase: "Let those who do not sin cast the first stone." ~Jesus Christ
3. Well, since you can tell I know very little about religion, but what tickles my mind is that how godly are you to know about my wisdom and knowledge in my beliefs? Are you Siddhartha Gautama Buddha? Maybe God? Perhaps Allah? Looks like the kettle lacks of fluid.

You can advise, but do not discriminate nor judge others 
Be neutral to answer one's question and help unconditionally 
The pot calling kettle black? Are you imposing your beliefs on me? Think twice before you reply or write further replies.

One, I'm not a pot. By all means, you can opt to be the kettle as you wish. I'm just a pocket of Oxyhydrogen fairly mixed that surveys the midst of air for the correct dimensions before I ignite into combustion on kettles and bring it to boil. Anyway, boiled water is healthy for life.

Two, my beliefs are of good faith, straight to the point. Essence of good deeds brings light, the philosophy of Yin and Yang, and Karma as the laws of cause and consequences (Indeed you know somewhat lots of marriage laws, but perhaps you should learn a new type of law granted by Mother Nature). Oh did I mention that you're facing the element of Yang from my Yin right now? Bet you are. ;)

The above @Sung Tee has been answer'ed' with all the obstacles highlighted and potential impeding lawsuits by his legally married wife. (but lack the senses of humane and orderly conduct, e.g., rude, offensive, insolence, etc.)

I don't know if you're a lawyer or not, and certainly I wouldn't care much. I'm just here for information and truly I had time for it. If I happened to be your client, I would have just got up, have my hands in my pockets without shaking yours and just walk away. Anyway, read this or don't, I don't care. Typical Malaysian such as you tends to be judgmental all the time, least now you know why most men are going for foreign women due to the lesser aggression in their behaviour. Know what it's like coming from a discriminative person? Here you go.....

"Knowing the law is a skill set, knowing moral values is being human."
~
 Curious V(irtuoso)
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answered on Feb 28, 2018 at 01:44
by   Curious V
Jeff005,

you don't answer questions by asking questions.
 
One have to acknowledge that different readers interpret issues or understand those issues at a different perspective, hence, questions are asked to clarify further. 

Sometimes when by asking questions on what the poster have asked, the poster will/may/can realize it was a futile question with no appropriate answers. It can be a polite way of answering questions instead of the reply is "this is a silly or stupid question!"

Yes, I truly agree on this though it can be a smooth discussion with proper Q & A method rather than just answering a question with another question which may seem insulting the enquirer's intelligence. Moreover, we as civilised people should be courteous with our actions, thus signifying the generosity in helping and not judging a person by his mistakes. We can't even tell if the woman as mentioned in this case have any sort of hidden agenda and even by saying this, I may also offend the enquirer though with few decades of unsuccessful relationship with women not up to my par, I know by experiences that certain path will turn its tides no matter how good, hard or smart we have handled the situation.


let the judge be the judge,  
Court Judges do make mistakes too. That is why there are 5 Levels in our Judiciary System for legal recourse. 

That's good to know. On a side note, I was actually referring that let the judge be the judge to this case within the judiciary system. It's not for us to judge, but we can utilise our skill set to predict the outcome in the court.

what the law can serve its purpose should anything happen  
The correct course of action is to be a law abiding citizen. Not reading laws to try to circumvent around it when illegal activities has been done or be a spiteful vigilante.

I couldn't agree more with you. Actually, this statement is basically taken from another Swedish judge with extensive knowledge in our Asian culture when it comes to beating our children for being naughty. As she stated "sometimes the law can be blind-sided". This was a case where a couple of Malaysian parents were sentenced to jail over a month despite the acknowledgement of our culture albeit the incident took place in Sweden. Unfortunately, Sweden is a country where women are the ruling gender and emotions are part of the political influence as well, hence the downfall of their immigration policy which were trampled by Syrian refugees.



I'm not saying the law is useless. The law protects and teaches citizen, but it can also backfires in a certain way. Btw, thanks again for your wisdom, effort and generosity.
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