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Malaysia NTL notice IM 96 (B) B/B6 vs IM 96 (C)

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asked on Oct 18, 2019 at 20:36
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edited on Oct 18, 2019 at 20:39
by   GauravG1
I have seen a lot of NTL stamps with IM 96 (c) stamped on them. But in my case I have a NTL stamp IM 96 (B) B/B6 

Can you explain the difference between (b) and (c) on the NTL stamp? 

What is the meaning of this stamp with (b)?

This stamp is on the second last page of my passport. Can you please explain the meaning of this?


Background Story on how I got this stamp:

I was offered a job of Senior Software Engineer by a well reputed company in Malaysia located in Kuala Lumpur at an excellent salary. I completed all the formalities for the Employment Pass(EP) and I was told by the HR of the company that my EP has been approved and I was given a letter from MDEC stating the same. The company HR told me that this letter will serve as a sufficient visa to let me in and the next day she would take my passport to MDEC to get EP chop/stamp, this process would take 1-2 days to complete. 

In the letter I did not find anywhere stating that this is a valid visa so I reconfirmed with the company HR if this is sufficient or if I needed another visa to enter Malaysia. I was reassured by the HR that this letter is sufficient as all the other expats come to work in Malaysia via this letter and there's nothing to worry about. So I trusted her words and requested her to book the tickets to fly to KUL via BKK. The flight itinerary looked like this (13th Oct 2019 LKO -> BKK -> KUL)

At the immigration counter in KLIA I was denied entry into Malaysia because I did not possess a valid entry visa. I was detained at KILA NTL Holding Lounge and sent back to my original port of embarkation (KUL->BKK->LKO) via same carrier (Thai Airways).

 
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answered on Oct 18, 2019 at 22:02
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edited Oct 18, 2019 at 22:07
by   jeff005
@GauragG1

Within a span of 6 hours, there are 2 complaints of incompetent HR personnel.
Yours and @bpotter. Ben's case is pure careless on his part too but with dire consequences. Yours is rectifiable.

So now, what did your HR says now?
What are his/her next instructions?

I completed all the formalities for the Employment Pass(EP) 
Inaccurate, you were only vetted

and I was told by the HR of the company that my EP has been approved
Wrong info

and I was given a letter from MDEC stating the same. 
Read the letter properly again and with understanding

The company HR told me that this letter will serve as a sufficient visa 
Then why were you turned back?

to let me in and the next day she would take my passport to MDEC to get EP chop/stamp, this process would take 1-2 days to complete. 
If you are lucky, you may be able to get it within 30 days.
The Medical Examination Test and results can take you at least 10 days to be out if you are lucky.
This HR person have not done this procedure before.

 I did not find anywhere stating that this is a valid visa 
You are 100% correct but you did not fully understand the contents fully.
Read again carefully. You have missed 1 very important point.

Q... 
Why did you use Thai Airways?
Is there a significant layover time and even a stopover in BKK?
Is there a change of Flight Number or airplanes?
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answered on Nov 2, 2019 at 18:51
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@jeff005

So now, what did your HR says now?
What are his/her next instructions?

The HR is apologetic for her negligence, she has assured me of reimbursement of the expenses I had to bear. Her next instructions are to apply a valid Visa with Reference at Malaysia High Commission (New Delhi) and then come to Malaysia to join this job. 

Why did you use Thai Airways?
It was the shortest journey in terms of time

Is there a significant layover time and even a stopover in BKK?
No it was quite short, around 2.5 hours between LKO-BKK-KUL
Around 7.5 hours between KUL-BKK-LKO 

Is there a change of Flight Number or airplanes?

Yes 
13 October 2019
Thai Smile (WE334 / TG2334) LKO-BKK 
Thai Airways (TG415) BKK-KUL 

15 October 2019
Thai Airways (TG416) KUL-BKK
Thai Smile (WE333 / TG2333) BKK-LKO

Q. Can you explain the difference between (b) and (c) on the NTL stamp? 
Q. What is the meaning of this stamp with (b)?
Q. This stamp is on the second last page of my passport. Can you please explain the meaning of this?
Q. Will this stamp affect my ability to visit other countries in future because now I am an immigration offender? 

I have attached the MDEC letter. 
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answered on Nov 3, 2019 at 07:47
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edited Nov 3, 2019 at 08:12
by   jeff005
@GauragG1

To whom is this letter is addressed to?
You think any unsigned letter can warrant a Visa to be issued?
Be logical

Can I can issue you a 300 such letters? and bring in 300 of your countrymen in just one plane flight...

Post again Full details with your name crossed out or send a unadulterated copy to me
< bladirunner@gmail.com >

I need to see the VDR number and who this notification is addressed to..!!
This is a useless letter for immigration matters.

There is no difference between (b) and (c). No need to waste more time asking. Time is short.
What is the expiry date of your Passport?

You  ARE NOT  an immigration offender as yet..
You can be if you cannot come in successfully.

You would be sent out by the doorman if you present this notification /memo /letter to the Malaysian Embassy in any country.
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answered on Nov 3, 2019 at 12:01
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edited Nov 3, 2019 at 12:55
by   jeff005
@GauragG1

I do not wish to spend too much time on your case.

Take note of the following main points and do your own Judgement Call.

1.  VDR is not issued by Embassies. VDR must be issued by the Immigration Dept inside Malaysia.

2.  VDR must be applied for by a valid employer who has the permit to employ foreign Expats. Your experienced HR has to do it. I cannot access deep into the ESD website as I am not an employer, neither can you. There is login function and employer id number.

3.  Only with the VDR memo /notification number, the Embassy will issue you a VISIT VISA  (Single Entry) if not, they will issue a Tourist Visa again and at KLIA, you would be kick out again with the (b) stamped.

4.  Upon receipt of the VDR memo from your employer (to-be), PDF a clear copy of both front and back pages and please  email it to me for further other instructions, otherwise, my session ends here.

5.  If you are deny entry again for the second time, then it would /may constitute as a Immigration Infringement. Be forwarned (by me).

Similar cases, read thru the whole section here which have similar situations like yours esp @Mike Thaw Zin (page 20 I think).

https://www.lawyerment.com/answers/questions/12081/immigration-malaysia-blacklisting-ntl-ban-period-appeals-for-inbound-visitors-to

Period
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answered on Nov 3, 2019 at 12:25
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edited Nov 3, 2019 at 12:58
by   jeff005
@GauragG1

Read the following carefully





Personal opinion
Your experienced HR, he/she, have not brought in an Expat before.
What you have gotten now is just the "approved application" not the "approved VDR"
There are other steps imposed by the IMI Dept. It would be inside the VDR issued by MY IMI (back and front pages). That's why I need the latest policies to help your other countrymen on how to come in as an Expat. Your HR have finished until Step 8 only..!!!

And if possible, if the area you are in, get a direct flight  LKO >> KUL.  
Layovers  is for direct flights, same aircraft without crossing IMI's.
Most stopovers and change of airplanes may require change of Airport and VOA on arrivals and passing thru IMI's.

Avoid unnecessary delays and burnt tickets. Blame your own country's Travels and Passports Laws.
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answered on Nov 6, 2019 at 16:34
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jeff005 is a bitter old man
His wife left him and he escaped to Thailand
He spends his days answering on lawyerment
When he has time he f.u.c..ks kathoeys like a true gent
He says he works in Thailand,
But everyone knows his true purpose is to hold little boys hands!
jeff005 edits his posts to hide his mistake
with a forked tongue as cruel as a snake
63 years old with nothing to show for it
tick-tock jeff your funeral will be a hit!
oh i almost forget nobody will attend
because you don't even have a single friend!
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