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Vietnamese Lady Friend caught in massage parlour raid

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asked on Jul 26, 2017 at 23:23
by   TheLoneWolf27
edited on Aug 2, 2017 at 05:16
 
I chanced upon this forum while searching for an answer to the predicament here. I will provide as accurate an account as possible to my knowledge and hope to receive some enlightenment on the situation. 

A lady whom I acquainted at a massage parlour in JB was caught during a big raid almost a week back. She has since been in detained and have already gone for a court proceedings but she is still under detention until the next court proceedings slated for end August, which probably means she will be detained in the centre for another month. 

Some background information:
It is not a full illicit service massage but has certain services that would be considered illegal.
I believe the parlour boss had paid money to extend her passport for many times since she has been there for almost 10 months.
I am not sure under what condition she was caught but a majority of the masseuse were taken away during the raid.
I do not have her passport ID whatsoever and only know her full name.
To the best of my knowledge, the boss had tried undertake means to secure their release but is unsuccessful and have to wait for the court proceeding in end August. 

Some questions I have:
Does this seem like a situation where she would be deported immediately after the final court proceeding?
What is going to happen to her belongings that is still at the residence?
If I go to the IDC, would I be able to visit her not knowing any of her passport details except full name?
What are the procedures for visitation and are we allowed to pass them items like medication with receipts, food or pillows etc.
Is there a legal way to get her out of this mess since I have no idea how the boss intends to get them out?

Sincerest thanks in advance for anyone's input on the situation. 
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answered on Jul 29, 2017 at 03:17
by   jeff005
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 06:34
 
3. After sentencing, they would await deportation. The Immigration Department will process it. How fast is anybody's guess. Those detained will be batch by batch, country by country. No individual deportation.

Hakuna Matata, 
Her boss will take care of the deportation issues.

She would be given a fine and/or jail term for overstaying so long. Once the fines are paid, just await deportation. If no money to pay, then jail term. Normally the boss may pay their fines.

Those caught working with evidence will get fines plus jail term. No escape.

Thank you for updating. Much appreciated.

There are many who asked me dozens of questions but once they are out of the woods and back into the concrete jungle, no further updates. I have to assume, presume my advices are informative.

She can go to Singapore but not Malaysia for the next 5 years, so no further worries for you..

Good Luck.. 
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answered on Jul 29, 2017 at 04:28
by   TheLoneWolf27
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 06:36
 
Dear Jeff,

My heartfelt thanks for taking the time out to advise despite poor conditions at where you're currently at. 

I actually did all these on a Thursday afternoon. Took a day to Google, rest and compose myself before I could do any updates. And I shall continue to update here until the whole ordeal is over even if I have no further questions.

Unfortunately I am not that optimistic about her current conditions as my Google results on her current prison is one of the worst in JB I believe: Simpang Renggam. And she will have to remain there for close to 30 days until the next hearing..... And it seems destined that she will be spending her birthday inside as well....

I hope the boss has enough strength of contacts (well they certainly have the money) to see this through with a positive/neutral outcome and at the very least, if getting them out is not possible, to ensure that they do not have to suffer any longer than is needed. But the conditions inside prison is truly worrying and it truly is the worst feeling not knowing what I can do and knowing I can't do anything. 

On a slightly positive note, I might be able to visit the prison in the next week with the boss and entourage.

I implore your good self to continue to contribute your invaluable insights to the people here despite not getting any positive reinforcements. I'm sure your replies and advice would have helped them in more ways than one :)

Have a good weekend!
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answered on Aug 9, 2017 at 00:04
by   TheLoneWolf27
edited Aug 21, 2017 at 06:24
 
Dear Jeff, 

I am going to skip the details over the past week or so as I now have more pertinent and urgent questions needing your expert advice.

Their representing lawyers are pushing for an earlier date for the appeal in court from their original scheduled date.

Is there a number I can call or some quick and easy way to check which court, date, time and court number they will be attending and what kind of information will I need to provide? I am unable to get their court date information from the boss.

I have absolutely no idea where the court is And can inky find this on the net. 

High Court Johor Bahru
Jalan Dato’ Onn Jaafar
80000 Johor Bahru

Is this the court address for all such proceedings?

Will they be able to be released on the spot in court or will they need to be transported back to prison to do paperwork for release and get their belongings?

Thank you very much in advance!
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answered on Aug 9, 2017 at 01:34
by   Jeff
edited Aug 21, 2017 at 06:26
 
You really caught me at the very last minute when nobody can contact me for the next 30 hours.

Depending on the state and area, there is a mobile court for immigration detainees. If there is a justifiable appeal, it should be at the High Court Johor Baru but it will NOT be listed online like for local court cases. The lawyer representing them will know how to get such info and the boss of those detained.  For sure the place they are held now would have records.

For deportees, there is no release. They would be held by immigration camps till the fines have been paid and the Immigration will then only process their deportation. That is the procedure I was made to be aware.
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answered on Aug 9, 2017 at 01:43
by   jeff
edited Aug 21, 2017 at 06:28
 
Forget their belongings, like when your born like that you go out like that. The most is just change of clothing and hand held luggage.

The boss can attempt to pass one bag of clothing to the prison warden. You pass most, probably lost in transit.

Don't following western shows where ALL things will be returned, they are not local detainees.
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answered on Aug 9, 2017 at 01:50
by   TheLoneWolf27
Dear Jeff, 

Glad to be able to catch you! I forgot to mention that their charges have been made such that they would no longer have overstaying charge and will be acquitted hence their push for earlier date. In this case, they will be released on the spot after paying whatever fines?

I was given a number by the prison warden to try and call and get information on their court dates which I will attempt to try and call tomorrow.

Thank you and hope you have a safe travel!
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answered on Aug 10, 2017 at 16:58
by   jeff005
edited Aug 21, 2017 at 06:31
 
their charges have been made such that they would no longer have overstaying charge and will be acquitted 
Wow.. another smart lawyer changing International Immigration Laws to their fancy.

For your girlfriend's case it is outright overstaying.

Even if she is "acquitted" for any other types of charges, she would be detained again right after she leaves the court room (if any) by the very same officers who had brought her there.

The saga continues with the Lawyer representing them. If no further case where can get more fees?

My personal view ONLY:
Stupid Appeal. The longer the case, the longer she stay in Women's Prison!!! The longer the fight, the COURT will hand out MAX penalties. Which could mean a BAN for Life from entering Malaysia. Such ban may affect her integrity if she applies for PR in Singapore in the future.
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