Vietnamese Lady Friend caught in massage parlour raid

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asked on Jul 26, 2017 at 23:23
edited on Aug 2, 2017 at 05:16
I chanced upon this forum while searching for an answer to the predicament here. I will provide as accurate an account as possible to my knowledge and hope to receive some enlightenment on the situation. 

A lady whom I acquainted at a massage parlour in JB was caught during a big raid almost a week back. She has since been in detained and have already gone for a court proceedings but she is still under detention until the next court proceedings slated for end August, which probably means she will be detained in the centre for another month. 

Some background information:
It is not a full illicit service massage but has certain services that would be considered illegal.
I believe the parlour boss had paid money to extend her passport for many times since she has been there for almost 10 months.
I am not sure under what condition she was caught but a majority of the masseuse were taken away during the raid.
I do not have her passport ID whatsoever and only know her full name.
To the best of my knowledge, the boss had tried undertake means to secure their release but is unsuccessful and have to wait for the court proceeding in end August. 

Some questions I have:
Does this seem like a situation where she would be deported immediately after the final court proceeding?
What is going to happen to her belongings that is still at the residence?
If I go to the IDC, would I be able to visit her not knowing any of her passport details except full name?
What are the procedures for visitation and are we allowed to pass them items like medication with receipts, food or pillows etc.
Is there a legal way to get her out of this mess since I have no idea how the boss intends to get them out?

Sincerest thanks in advance for anyone's input on the situation. 
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answered on Jul 27, 2017 at 00:50

Read the above and you would have an insight of what comes next.
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answered on Jul 27, 2017 at 01:11
Dear Mr Jeff,

Thank you very much for the link. That was the exact post from my Google search that led me to signing up and asking on this forum. 

Your re-linking me the post made me realized that the possible outcome was already there. And I suppose there isn't anything that can be done to secure her earlier release legally as the offence was clearly overstaying and abusing social pass plus possible illegal extensions. Complicated.

Now I'm wondering whether it is possible for the boss (assuming good enough connections and money) would be able to secure a non legal release after the court and before their deportation?

Can I also trouble your good self to advise on some of my previous concerns: regarding her belongings, IDC visitation rules etc if you happen to be privy of such knowledge? The other link spoke of 15 minutes visitation duration each week. Did it mean that we can only visit once a week for 15 minutes? And would i be able to visit if i didnt know the passport ID?  

Much thanks in allaying my worries! May God bless your good selves. 
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answered on Jul 27, 2017 at 01:25
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 05:19
Why are you so concern for her? Any bonding?

By visiting her, are you not scared that you can be haul to the Immigration court for harbouring an illegal?

Ooh.. you are a Singaporean? Then you may try to visit her. Foreigner visits foreigner friend.

Social Visit Pass cannot be extended except for short term for the purpose of marriage, critical illness, advanced pregnancy. She has overstay and working illegally.

Her kind of trade has its own rules and mode of settling issues. It is beyond your means of helping. Stay out of it. There is no legal means of getting her out.
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answered on Jul 27, 2017 at 01:41
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 05:21
You do not need her passport, only her name on her passport. Only find out where she has been detained.

Why excessive worries? She has legal representation in the first court proceedings, that is why there a second hearing. They have been taught not plead guilty to anything.. let her boss do their incandescent work.

You can almost say goodbye to most belongings. During deportation by air, only carry-on luggage is allowed. They are not tourists anymore. I have viewed video of deportees handcuffed to each other on airport tarmac to board airplanes years ago.

Why she needs medication?
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answered on Jul 27, 2017 at 02:43
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 05:22
Dear Jeff, 

Thanks again for your kind inputs. We've had a number of soulful conversations and yes I'm Singaporean. 

It would seem that there is nothing I can do about her situation and can only pray that the boss is able to pull enough strings to avoid immediate deportation after the court proceeding. 

She has been coughing badly for the past 2 months and hence I was wondering if I'm able to pass non prescription OTC medication to help her condition and also prevent infecting other detainees. I suppose I will just go ahead and try anyway since I already made up my mind to visit. Will bring along the medication and receipts, a stuffed toy, chocolates and snacks and see if there's anyway to let her keep them. I will update here again with regard to that and hopefully it will help other people with similar questions. 

My sincerest thanks to you again for your no-nonsense fast and direct replies as well as candid advice.
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answered on Jul 27, 2017 at 03:21
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 05:25
There will be camp medical personnel at the detention camp. You may not be able to pass direct to her. Pass to camp authorities and at their discretion, they will pass on to her. They do not want cases of drugs smuggling.

You may be able to visit her, pass some moneys to her. Tell camp officials that it is moneys you owed her. She can use that moneys to call you at will. Got it??

There is no legal way of leaving detention camps. NGOs are monitoring the camps too to prevent abuse and corruptions. She may not be immediately deported after the court session or sentencing or verdict. Immigration will process her impeding departure. It may take days, even weeks.

Stuffed toys? She is that young? Teddy bear? I would love one too. Make sure that there is nothing can be hidden inside or else the camp officials may cut it open to verify.

Good Luck lover boy
Smitten by the love beetle is alright.
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answered on Jul 29, 2017 at 01:23
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 06:30
Dear Jeff,

Thank you again for all the advice. 

I had an eventful day. When I reached the shop to try and acquire more info, I was informed that the girls were in the JB polis detention for 2 days and I had just missed them. They were already en route to another further lockup from Pekan Nanas. I was devastated but not wanting to waste the day and give up just like that, I decided to head down to the Kontinjen Polis and try to find out where they were being taken to (the shop caretaker didn't know enough details).

And so I went down to the station and spoke to the guard who was very helpful and understood my English well enough. I was then directed to the front office and attended by another officer (I was surprised that those in the office had a worse command of English than the nice guard outside).

After awhile, I was called into their room (which was not locked). They kept asking about why I was there and I told them I was looking for a Vietnamese lady friend who was caught and transferred out from here just this morning. They asked for her passport number but I didn't have it and only know her name. There were 3 officers there and luckily one of them knew their computer system enough to know how to find using just date of capture and place of capture. It was a very interesting experience in playing the negotiating and parlay. In the end I managed to get the name and room of the person I need to talk to and the passport ID number XD (not without some damage of course).

I found out from the officer in charge of the case that my friend had been charged with overstaying and sent to SR prison and no longer under his jurisdiction. I googled alot and came to the conclusion that she was probably sentenced at the first court hearing but the boss had appealed and the next court hearing was set of August so they are now currently under remand in prison? Otherwise they would have been just locked up in the police or detention center. Would that be a correct conjecture (I could have just asked the officer but my mind was quite blank at that time)?

I googled and found the number of the prison and called them to enquire about visitation procedures. The lady officer was helpful enough to confirm that my friend was indeed being held there and even gave me the inmate ID. But she said that I can only visit 2 weeks from the date of admission.

A few questions for your kind advise please Jeff:

Is my conjecture correct?

Suppose the appeal at the 2nd court hearing fail, what would be the outcome like? I suppose there is really no reason to lock her in the local prison and should be scheduled for deportation? If that happened, can we actually get her a departure ticket so that she can leave the place earlier? Will it be that simple?

Is it normal to have such a long period before prison visitations are allowed? Anyway to visit earlier? I read that it was possible to get items for the prisoner from the canteen. Any idea what kind of stuffs we can get from there? Certainly stuffed toys and my medicines are out of the question...

Is it possible to bail her out from prison until the court hearing and what are the procedures and cost?

Thanking you very sincerely in advance.

I also googled about that particular prison and am filled with dread about the living conditions and the possible indiscretions that may happen...

And yes it's quite a bad bug...unfortunately...
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answered on Jul 29, 2017 at 02:26
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 06:31
Hi Wolverine

You one damn lucky guy. You managed to get so much info on a Friday.

I have to break my reply in 2 or 3 posts as I am not in Malaysia and the area here in under heavy rain and bad internet connectivity.
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answered on Jul 29, 2017 at 02:36
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 06:32
Personal views/observations

1. You do not know what is in the Immigration charge sheet in court and do not know what was being appealed against. As far as I am concerned, there is no appeal against overstaying esp for her case for 10 months. One whole group have been charged at the same time, some may have shorter period of overstay, some longer. 

Some were caught working, some naked, some will just claim visiting sisters friends, as could be in your girlfriend case as the officer says that she is charged with overstay only. We do not know what's what, who's who, even the shop caretaker.

Normally the Immigration officers would teach those arrested for this type of cases.. just plead guilty and you will be deported fast. Blatant lies. For some, it could jail term. Depends on the Immigration charge sheet. I am quite confident that there is legal representation of some sort or insider advises given to those detained in this case.
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answered on Jul 29, 2017 at 03:01
edited Aug 2, 2017 at 06:33
2. Prisons have their rules. Those involved will know, I do not know even I have been inside the largest one (by invitation as guests). Not visited the canteen.

Do not worry, she not a criminal, so no harsh treatment for her. I do not think there are women facilities in Malaysia for women detainees, so being held at women's "prison" is much safer for them.

Overstay is a non-bailable offense.
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