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Renounce Malaysia Citizenship

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asked on Sep 9, 2004 at 04:47
by   hanneng
edited on Dec 5, 2016 at 02:50
 
I am applying citizenship to another country soon, and chance to get the approval is quite high.

I have a few questions here.

1) What I need to do to renounce Malaysia citizenship?

2) What happen to my Employees Provident Fund (EPF) account?

3) Currently, I have Bank Accounts, Property, and Insurance Policies under my name in Malaysia. I can close all the bank accounts easily, however, can I still hold the property and insurance policies under my new identity (foreign nationality)?
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answered on Sep 10, 2004 at 22:14
by   Ah Seng888
edited Dec 5, 2016 at 02:53
 
Typical. Want to be a traitor to your own country because you think you are better in the other country. Why do you want to keep your insurance etc. in Malaysia? You should not do like this because Malaysia is actually your country.
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answered on Sep 18, 2004 at 15:59
by   Alice
edited Dec 5, 2016 at 02:55
 
@Ah Seng888

You are such a j*rk and very annoying! If people want to leave their country, this doesn't mean they are traitor, they hate Malaysia...etc. This is their personal reason, yea, maybe they found a better place to live in. Why don't you just leave this forum, this is not a place for you....j*rk!
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answered on Sep 18, 2004 at 19:39
by   Ah Seng888
edited Dec 5, 2016 at 03:00
 
Please don't use filthy word to **% me. I am senior middle 3 educated and still learning. Some of my friends have asked me to be a politician or lawyer since I like to help people. My English is not number 1. But bad words are not number 1 also.

I am just trying to help. If you don't agree it's okay. I say 'traitor' because people who want to leave Malaysia should ask their new country to help. Why asks us?? Just a point from me.
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answered on Sep 19, 2004 at 02:46
by   Some info
Hanneng:

Here's what I know.
1. Fill in Borang K and submit in person to Immigration in PJ.
2. Submit a photocopy of your new country citizenship certificate
3. Surrender your Malaysian passport and IC
4. A "receipt" or certificate will be issued confirming your renounciation.
It should only take one day to get it done.

For EPF contribution, you can still contribute the 11% employee portion, but your employer is only obliged to contribute a small amount (not sure what the amount is). Not sure about the property ownership issues, etc. but you may have to declare it in some other way.

PS: Don't waste your time on low-life pariah jerks like the one that responded to your question -- they simply have very low self-esteem and crave unwanted attention. And yes, really poor English too.

Good luck.
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answered on Nov 2, 2004 at 10:56
by   Starter
edited Dec 5, 2016 at 03:01
 
I am now staying overseas for more than five years without returning back to Malaysia. I have not gain any citizenship of this particular country nor a permanent residence. I am wondering if my citizenship in Malaysia will be revoked after so many years of absence. Or is it automatically I am no longer a citizen of Malaysia now?

Please enlighten me for anyone out there have any idea on this case.
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answered on Nov 2, 2004 at 13:31
by   Unni
edited Dec 5, 2016 at 03:02
 
You have a legal obligation as a citizen of Malaysia (applicable to other countries as well) to register regularly with your high commission or embassy abroad. Remember that in spite of all the theories, the fact is that if something happens to you whilst abroad wherever you are, it is their responsibility to come to your aid. But think, how can they achieve this if you do not let them know through registration where you are?

There are benefits that go with citizenship. Together with these benefits come responsibilities. One of them is registering with the high commission if you live abroad.

No one is going to arrest or beat you up for failing. All you now need to do is to call up the high commission and ask them. Tell them you had no idea till someone reminded them. Then send your passport in or go in to have it stamped in or whatever.

Good Luck!
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answered on Dec 31, 2004 at 04:20
by   Xmsian
edited Dec 5, 2016 at 03:11
 
Big Mistake if you do that.

Malaysia is not a perfect country, almost nowhere else, but still your motherland.

For instant, I was ****ed on the unfair and discriminatory system some 25 years ago. Back then, most of the Malay was uneducated, at least to me, were bunch of uncivilized spoiled brads whom depends on social assistance and feeds on other hard working ethnics taxes dollars.

Now I am older and consider wiser, the society in Malaysia back then need such move in order to move the country forward. In the past few years, I've been returning for as short as few months to as long as a year. I begin to realise almost everyone is equally educated and open-minded and get along, what a significant differences.

I am happy that I didn't renounce my Malaysia Citizenship that makes hell lot easier for me to return as part of the member after few years long term settlement. If you do renounce, I think you will encounter lot of hard time when you regret that the new country you adopted isn't what you expected in the near future.

Think with your heart and brain.
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answered on Jan 11, 2005 at 21:15
by   xmsian at the msc
edited Dec 5, 2016 at 03:12
 
I would think @Hanneng is smarter to know that it is better not to renounce the Malaysian Citizenship. I believe there are certain clauses in the other country's agreements which are forcing @Hanneng to renounce his Malaysian Citizenship, if he is to pursue the other's citizenship. In a general sense, I would think it is better not to renounce the Malaysian Citizenship. Then you can be either here or there. Better to have 2 countries accepting you.
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answered on Feb 2, 2005 at 06:07
by   manzsin
I do not pretend I know "HANNENG" legal position to be.  I purely think aloud what appears to me is the obvious.

I am more familiar with the Australia and New Zealand situations.  The first step for the "migration" is to be a permanent resident.  For all practical purposes over there, it is virtually the same as a citizen there.  There is not restriction there requiring a permanent resident to convert into a citizen of that country.  However, for some sensitive employment appointments like the Ministry of Defence, the citizenship of that country may be called for.  One of the obvious difference is only the citizen there can represent that country to compete in international sports event.  I am surprised a PR there is allowed and encourage to vote for their national and local council elections.  The PR can be elected local council member, but not member of parliament for the obvious reason.  Otherwise PR there enjoy the same benefits in social welfare, health, education etc as that conferred to their citizens.

Consequently, many Malaysian citizens becoming PR there seldom take up the citizen of that nation.

Absence from Malaysia and living in overseas country as a PR of that country, I believe, does not deprive one of his Malaysia citizenship.  I suppose it is important to note that living in a foreign land as its PR is NOT a crime.  The motive of becoming a citizen of another country is of that person's concern.

Revocation of Malaysia citizenship can come in several ways.  One is the citizen's voluntary giving up the citizenship.  The second is the Malaysian government withdrawal of the citizenship on ground that the citizen has taken the citizenship of another nation.  I believe the taking of a foreign nation's citizenship is making the person's Malaysia citizenship VOIDABLE, but NOT VOID.  In simple words, the person's Malaysia citizenship is liable for revocation by the Malaysian government, but it is NOT "automatically" rendering the Malaysian citizenship null and void.

In practice, I understand many Malaysian citizens who also hold foreign passport [reflecting their embrace of foreign citizenship] generally do not have problems from Malaysian authorities unless the authorities have the evidence of dual citizenships.

Currently, the Thailand / Malaysia entanglement over the South Thailand separatist movement reveals that many people in the boundaries holding dual citizenship.  Similarly for Filipinos in East Malaysia; as well as the Indonesians in Malaysia.  From the statistics I casually come across, the chance of Malaysian government withdrawing its citizenship on group of dual citizenship is very small.  Perhaps rarely that having 5 cows and goats along the Federal Highway.

EPF.  As I understand EPF withdraw for those contributors leaving the country for good are entitled to withdraw their EPF in full.  The requirements I understood a year ago was to surrender the identity card [not the passport or citizenship certificate], a confirming letter of permanent residency or citizenship from a foreign nation and showing a 1-way ticket out of Malaysia.  I believe there is no compulsion for the EPF contributor to withdraw his contribution on leaving the country.

Other assets like bank account, insurance and property.  I doubt this is a problem related to your new citizenship or permanent residency.  I certainly doubt one would lost his control of the properties due to a change of citizenship.

Should a Malaysian renounce his Malaysian citizen after acquiring a new citizenship?  I believe this is more of a personal moral matter.  I have observed that many Japanese, Americans and Europeans settling in Australia and New Zealand have not given up their original passport after acquiring their Australia or NZ passports.

Finally, I believe many people tend not to distinguish the terms "permanent residency" with "citizenship" in discussing this matter.  When confused, perhaps best to go back to the basics.
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answered on Feb 25, 2012 at 00:54
by   True Blue Msian
edited Dec 5, 2016 at 03:15
 
Hanneng and Alice,

I've read this thread to my great amusement.

Don't get too agitated over some negative passing remarks that is not associated with the topic in question.

Arguing with an idiot would only take you down to his/her level, and once you are there, he'll win you hands down just by experience.

Back to the topic at hand, I think for different assets would be handled differently.  Some can only be held by Citizens, while you can continue to enjoy even as Foreigner.

My question though is about Amanah Sahams.  How are these treated?  Can they be transferred to say another family member who retains Malaysian Citizenship?

I apologise if this question has seemingly diverted from the category of this forum, but certainly would appreciate if anyone could assist...
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